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Jan 25, 2022

When a client walks into your treatment room, they are asking for your hands to help them. But oftentimes, they are also asking – whether explicitly or implicitly – for us to tell them what’s happening with their bodies.

In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Kristin and Darren sit down with David Lobenstine to discuss his latest article in Massage & Bodywork magazine, “Leave Diagnosing to the Doctors”, what the differences between assessing and diagnosing are, consequences to talking to clients in ways that aren’t helpful, and how to create possibility in a session.

David Lobenstine has been massaging, teaching, writing, and editing for over 15 years. He is an authorized instructor of Pre- and Perinatal Massage Therapy workshops and coauthor of the book Pre-and Perinatal Massage Therapy. He also designs and teaches his own continuing education workshops, both across the US and online. For more information about David, visit David is also an author for Massage & Bodywork magazine and today we’re going to discuss his most recent article “Leave Diagnosing to the Doctor” in the January/February 2022 issue.




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Anatomy Trains is a global leader in online anatomy education and also provides in-classroom certification programs for structural integration in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, and China, as well as fresh-tissue cadaver dissection labs and weekend courses. The work of Anatomy Trains originated with founder Tom Myers, who mapped the human body into 13 myofascial meridians in his original book, currently in its fourth edition and translated into 12 languages. The principles of Anatomy Trains are used by osteopaths, physical therapists, bodyworkers, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga, Pilates, Gyrotonics, and other body-minded manual therapists and movement professionals. Anatomy Trains inspires these practitioners to work with holistic anatomy in treating system-wide patterns to provide improved client outcomes in terms of structure and function.    












Universal Companies has everything the spa professional needs for success, including massage tables and accessories, linens, tools, pain relief products like arnica, and a range of lotions, oils, and gels. The products we offer help the independent practitioner save on their everyday expenses, as well as provide the convenience of shopping across broad categories.

Recognized as the “Favorite Distributor” in the American Spa Professional’s Choice Awards for the past 17 years, we see this as a continuous challenge to provide the best products that pros trust the most.

Beyond our extensive selection of spa products, equipment, and tools, we have an education and marketing site for our customers to develop their skills and promote their business. The UCo Learning Network offers CEU courses, marketing kits, and business tools.


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About Dr. Ida Rolf Institute

The Dr. Ida Rolf Institute® (DIRI) is a global leader in optimizing human structure and function through our proprietary method of Rolfing® Structural Integration. It is our mission to provide high quality education and promote research to advance Rolfing® Structural Integration and Rolf Movement® Integration, visioning a world in which this is an integral part of health and well-being. DIRI is the only school worldwide that trains Rolfers® and Rolf Movement® Practitioners, and certified Rolfers are the only professionals who can provide Rolfing Structural Integration to the public. To learn more, please visit or call (303) 449-5903.










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About Handspring Publishing


Handspring Publishing specializes in professional-level books for massage therapists, osteopaths, yoga and Pilates teachers, physiotherapists, and other professionals who use touch or movement to help patients achieve wellness. Handspring Publishing’s books are written and produced to serve the professional and educational needs of health and medical professionals, musculoskeletal therapists, and movement teachers.

Its list includes bestsellers like Hands in Health Care, Second Edition, Pre- and Perinatal Massage Therapy: Third Edition, Fascia: What It Is and Why It Matters, and the recently published Oncology Massage: An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care. Handspring’s books combine attractive and accessible presentations with an evidence-based approach to writing, including referencing the latest research findings.

Authors are drawn from the ranks of highly respected teachers and experts in their area of specialization including Chris Frederick, Ann Frederick, David Lesondak, Bill Harvey, Janet Penny, Rebecca Sturgeon, Til Luchau, Robert Schleip, Graham Scarr, Gayle MacDonald, Carolyn Tague, and others. ABMP members save 20% off regular list prices. Visit and use discount code abmp20 to order. Shipping is free to all addresses in the United States and the United Kingdom.










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